Russian Coup Update for June 24, 2023 UPDATE: Coup Already Over?

At such a remove from the actions in a vast country with no free news services, it’s hard to definitively say what’s going on with the Russian coup. So here are a variety of “state of play” snippets from various sources (Suchomimus’s discord, MSM, YouTube, Twitter, other social media, etc.). Some of these are rumors that may later turn out to be false, so treat with as many grains of salt as you deem necessary.

  • Wagner Group forces under Yevgeny Prigozhin continue their open rebellion against Russian defense minister Sergei Shoigu and Chief of the General Staff Valery Gerasimov.
  • Livemap now has a separate map on the Russian coup up.
  • They evidently took full control of Rostov-on-Don without firing a shot, and reports are that many Russian regular soldiers there have gone over to their side.
  • Wagner forces headed for Moscow.
  • Reports of Russian aircarft hitting Russian gas and ammo depots along the way to deprive Wagner of them.
  • None of Prigozhin’s statements seem to directly attack Russian dictator for life Vladimir Putin.
  • Despite that, Putin declares that backstabbers will be punished.
  • Moscow is under lockdown, with checkpoints and military trucks in the streets, but actual tanks there seem very thin on the ground.
  • Traffic into Moscow has been halted.
  • Dumptrucks of sand are there to block the routes in.
  • But there are reports Wagner has already broken through:

  • Other reports of backhoes literally digging up the roads.
  • Rumors the government is relocating to St. Petersburg (Putin’s hometown).
  • More Internet restrictions have been instituted for Russians.
  • There are rumors that Wagner has been stockpiling fuel and ammo to do this for some time.
  • Even if not, Rustov-on-Don is the biggest logistical hub for the war against Ukraine.
  • “PMC Wagner reportedly in control of Millerovo airfield.” That’s some 60 miles north of Rostov-on-Don.
  • There are reports of Wagner shooting down at least one (and possibly two) Russian helicopter over Voronezh, where small arms clashes have been reported.
  • And bigger than small arms clashes:

    That’s supposedly Russia hitting a Russian oil depot.

  • A bit later: “Wagner PMC captured all key facilities in Voronezh.” Seems a fairly sweeping statement.
  • “Column of PMC Wagner has reportedly passed Yelets of Lipetsk region.”
  • Unconfirmed reports of unrest in Belarus, with soldiers there being tired of living under Putin’s thumb.
  • Reports that Putin-ally leader of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko flew out of the country, switched off his plane’s transponder, and turned it on again when he was over Turkey.
  • Chechen strongman and bought Putin ally Ramzan Kadyrov has evidently announced he’s opposing Wagner’s coup.
  • There are persistent rumors that Prigozhin wouldn’t have launched this coup without at least some support among powerful Russian oligarchs and command elements of the Russian military.
  • Here are some update videos. From Peter Zeihan on the Ukraine war:

    I think Zeihan is too optimistic about the hole Ukraine put in the Chongar bridge, and I think Russians will try to at least run supply trucks around it and hope it doesn’t collapse.

    From Suchomimus:

    Wagner reportedly has 25,000-50,000 men, plus tanks on transporters and anti-aircraft systems. “This isn’t a ragtag army.”

    Russia was “also building defensive positions near Serpukhov, 100 kilometers away from Moscow. So far the troops based around Moscow look like they do remain loyal to Putin.”

    Developing…

    Update: Is the coup already over?

    Kremlin Spokesman Dmitry Peskov announced a deal late on Saturday that Wagner mercenary boss Yevgeny Prigozhin would depart for Belarus in return for being spared prosecution, after an abortive rebellion in which his troops made a dash for Moscow.

    The announcement, carried by the Tass news agency, came shortly after embittered warlord Prigozhin announced his men were turning back from Moscow to avoid a devastating civil conflict. In a voice recording posted to his Telegram channel, Prigozhin said his troops would turn back after advancing within 200 kilometers of the capital.

    It was the culmination of an extraordinary day, in which Putin had accused the Wagner group of “treason” and said that their uprising risked tipping Russia into civil war.

    Prigozhin, smarting over the Kremlin’s handling of the war in Ukraine, announced early on Saturday that his mercenaries had seized the major southern Russian city of Rostov-on-Don, a logistics hub for Putin’s war, and threatened to push on to Moscow. Wagner forces also appeared to be well established in the city of Voronezh, 500 kilometers south of the capital.

    Well, that’s a disappointment to all of us who thought it would allow Ukraine to liberate itself from a distracted Russia.

    Prigozhin’s coup didn’t even last the three days of the 1991 Soviet coup…

    Update 2: Oryx has a list of equipment lost during the coup.

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    22 Responses to “Russian Coup Update for June 24, 2023 UPDATE: Coup Already Over?”

    1. Rollory says:

      Supposedly over thanks to Lukashenko’s mediation.

      I don’t understand how Putin thinks he can let Prigozhin walk away after this.

      I don’t understand how Prigozin thinks Putin can let him walk away after this.

      I don’t understand any of this.

    2. Andy Markcyst says:

      Absolute batshit day and my Bayesian probability models are all shot to hell. Nobody had today on their bingo card. Putin did not come out of this looking good. He was hated but now he looks incredibly weak.

    3. Northern Redneck says:

      For a number of years now, my nightmare scenario has been that power in Russia is seized by… Kadyrov. Think about that scenario…

    4. FM says:

      OK, firstly, has there been any video showing W convoys turning around and going back south? Agreeing to a deal and then just continuing northbound to Moscow seems like a very misdirective and coup-like thing to do if Prigozhin indeed has sponsors within the polished woodwork of the MoD


      The brief could have included something like “you are going to hear weird things during the course of these days, some of which will be from me – just keep driving north until you get the secret code word”.

      And secondly, why would any Wagner dudes trust any “guarantees” that Lukashenko gave Prigozhin? Or any of the formerly-Red-Army folks who went over to the W side publicly? It seems to me their only options are drive north and finish the planned housecleaning, or go home and wait for the GRU or FSB or whatever to kick in the door, yelling “We have changed the conditions of the deal
”

    5. Kirk says:

      I’ve got no idea what the hell is going on at this point. I wouldn’t have expected Wagner and Prigozin to give this crap up so easily, unless the whole thing was orchestrated from Moscow from the beginning.

      We will see what we will see, I suppose.

    6. MALTHUS says:

      Prigozhin would like to see General Gerasimov and Defence Minister Shoigu stood up against the wall. This is the reason he gave for his mutiny.

      If Prigozhin can attack these two Putin loyalists without suffering any repercussions, it will demonstrate that loyalty to Putin does not bring protection from one’s political enemies.

      This makes Putin look weak, which is intolerable for an authoritarian figure.

      Wagner and the other PMCs will have to be neutered. This will hobble the war effort but the Ukrainian adventure was destined for failure notwithstanding.

      Putin can claim Prigozhian’s treachery cost the Russian troops a well-deserved victory and escape blame for the loss while simultaneously protecting Shoigu and Gerasimov.

      Then everyone can go back to business as usual: skimming defense funds for private enrichment while the front line troops are starved of supplies.

      If sub-Saharan Africa were populated by whites, it would strongly resemble Russia.

    7. Greg the Class Traitor says:

      Kremlin Spokesman Dmitry Peskov announced a deal late on Saturday that Wagner mercenary boss Yevgeny Prigozhin would depart for Belarus in return for being spared prosecution, after an abortive rebellion in which his troops made a dash for Moscow.

      I don’t see that being true, and Belarus remaining a Putin puppet.

      Prigozhin going to Belarus and Belarus remaining under Putin control == Prigozhin getting shot.

      I’m not saying that Prigozhin won’t get shot. I’m just saying that if he remains in Belarus and not shot, then Putin is losing Belarus. Which makes Putin’s war in Ukraine even more difficult

    8. The Gaffer says:

      Looks like Obama/Soros went a ‘color revolution’ too far.

      I wouldn’t share a plane ride with them, or Prigozhin, any time soon.

      Occupational hazard when playing the game of thrones.

    9. John Fisher says:

      If Prigozin is alive 6 months from now this was kabuki theater by Putin and him to flush out folks who aren’t on board with the war. If he ends up falling from a 6th story window then I got nothing.

    10. ruralcounsel says:

      Here is one possibility.

      I don’t know what’s going on but it’s worth speculating. From the cheap seats:

      The Russians have decided to adopt a shaky image to present to the world of a regime and State in turmoil so that the idiots of the West and the poor bastards in Ukraine decide to ‘strike while the iron is hot and there is turmoil and confusion in the enemy ranks.’

    11. FM says:

      So what if per rumors Lukashenko really is ill and on his last legs, and in return for not taking Moscow Prigozin gets the Shirtless Tsar to push Shoigu and Gerasimov out of hospital windows over the next few months in tragic accidents, plus he gets to be the next guy in charge of the Belarus satrapy?

      Then when Putin falls out of a hospital window himself, the cage match between forces road marching from Belarus and those road marching from Kadyrovland will be the main event.

    12. ed in texas says:

      You do recall, that in the mists of time of last week, Russia gave Belorussia some tactical nukes.
      Either this is a lateral reorganization, or Vlad feels he has serious power centers in Minsk.
      Or something.

    13. ed in texas says:

      Over at Spinstrangenesscharm (an Israeli) the guess is:
      “Either Putin and Prigozhin cooked this up as a way to make an excuse to exit Ukraine while blaming the whole mess on [Defense Minister Sergei] Shoigu and others in the oligarchical circle, or Prigozhin and his lieutenants are dead men walking.”

    14. Kirk says:

      This is one of those sequences where everyone is going to be speculating about what the hell was going on right up until the point where it becomes obvious, and until it does? Good luck figuring it out.

      We may never know, not until the archives with all the background become accessible. Maybe not even then.

      I’m just totally taken aback by the entire course of events. One, I never thought Prigozin would turn on Putin; two, if he did, I’d have never expected him to go right to the doorstep of Moscow and just quit; three, I’d have never in my wildest ravings have said “Yeah, the Russian Army is just going to stand aside and let all that happen…”

      Which sort of implies that this was a head fake by Putin, and that he and everyone else knew it was theater, but… Why the hell did they go to the extent of shooting down aircraft? Who was the audience for all the drama? I don’t think that any of this is going to help convince any Russians to do much of anything; the demonstrated apathy is mind-boggling.

      We’re not going to know “…what it all means…” for some time, maybe bordering on forever.

      Weird times, these are. This whole thing is something that if you went back in time and described it to your younger self, that person would be sad because it was obvious that they were doomed to a bout of extreme insanity in their later life…

    15. BigFire says:

      re: ed in texas

      Russia move some of their tactical nukes to Belarus. The arming code and control still rest with Russian Army stationed there. This is like saying that US gave Turkey some medium range nuclear tipped missile just prior to the Cuban Missile Crisis.

    16. Kirk says:

      There’s a slight difference between the US placing nukes in Turkey vs. the Russians putting them in Belarus… For one, we know that our Permissive Action Links work. Even if Turkey were to take the nukes at Incirlik (which are still there, BTW…), they’d have to remanufacture them in order to make them work.

      Russian nukes? There were reasons they kept those things under lock and key of the KGB, which was that they didn’t trust their PAL systems. Rightfully. And, depending on vintage? There’s no telling what the hell they actually put into Belarus; it’s not like they had access to some super-secret superior arms industry for their nukes that the rest of the Russian military didn’t; the same issues apply across the board. What condition are those Belarus nukes in, what generation are they, and who has control of the damn codes, if there even are any.

      Friend of mine participated in the START treaty inspections back in the 1990s. He came back from those in total awe of the sheer half-assedness he found everywhere they looked, and one of the things that blew his mind was the lax security controls on some of the nukes. The Brits weren’t much better… At one point, they had some of their stuff secured with combination bicycle locks, and the Soviets didn’t even bother with that level of security, relying on KGB conscripts to serve as guards…

      There’s a real chance that either the nukes transferred to Belarus are essentially inert, or that the “security” on them is a fig leaf.

      If you’d spent the nights on duty that I did with my friend who did those inspection tours in the former Soviet Union, you might not ever sleep soundly again. They publicly said that they had determined that there were no “loose nukes”, but the reality…? Nobody, including the Soviets, had any real idea. You went into that situation expecting there to be solid facts, tracking, accounting, all of the rest. There wasn’t. The Soviet nuclear complex was run the exact same way as the rest of their industry was, with idiots in charge demanding the impossible from people lower on the totem pole who’d then lie their asses off and suborn the inspectors just to survive. The inspection teams went out with the records from the central offices in Moscow, and they’d be lucky if they found anything on the ground that matched what Moscow thought. He remembered guys blowing their brains out the minute the START teams showed up, because they knew the jig was up.

      We spent literal billions trying to help the Russian Federation gain control over things and put in place good controls. How much of that has stuck? No idea; don’t take a thing you hear about it at face value, because you’re dealing with Russians who instinctually lie and prevaricate about these things to a degree you’d find incomprehensible.

      My friend said that the prevalent attitude was that the only way their peculations would ever get discovered was if a nuclear war actually happened, and if that did, then they’d all be dead under a rain of American nukes anyway… So, who cared if the stuff worked or not? They found instance after instance where things had been diverted to build dachas and other nice things for the poor generals that got assigned to run the missile fields in Bumpf*ck Urals… It was insane.

      You ever get the chance to talk to a guy who was on those inspection teams, and they’re willing to go up to the line on the things they saw and weren’t supposed to talk about? You’ll have a fascinating conversation, one that will absolutely f*ck with your sleeping well at night for years.

      Only saving grace about all that stuff? Nukes require careful maintenance. Anything that “leaked” after the fall of the Soviet Union has likely aged out, and would, at best, fizzle. One would hope, anyway…

    17. BigFire says:

      Perhaps I had too much faith in at least the professionalism on the part of the Nuclear Navy (see Kursk disaster) or Strategic Rocket Forces (which has warheads that require maintenance, replacement of at least the tritium that has half-life of 12 years). God only knows how many of those warheads are actually works.

    18. Kirk says:

      I don’t think anyone knows.

      The Russian record for consistently making high-technology items that require extensive amounts of manufacturing precision and consistency ain’t what I’d call good; the so-called “Monday-morning Ford” that you were supposed to avoid because the guys were coming back from a weekend off, and were still a little hung-over? That issue permeates the entire Russian/Soviet industrial system, to include the supposedly “better” military side of things. And, with the lower prestige, money, and all the rest that’s been going on since the Wall came down? Most of the really competent people left, to work elsewhere. It’s why the guys at Roscosmos are not what they were, thirty years ago.

      Putin basically took the crown jewels of the Soviet system, the military-industrial complex, along with the space industry, and pissed them away. They’re not getting reconstituted any time soon, and may not be recoverable in any real way without extensive reconstruction that’ll be a recapitulation of their rise to international competitiveness in the first damn place. Look at all the major projects they’ve undertaken for the Indians, for God’s sake… How many of those have come off? They nearly sunk their only “operational” carrier while it was in the f*cking drydock, they’ve blown up the technologists who were trying to build those much-vaunted “nuclear torpedoes” on several occasions, and then there was the Kursk…

      I would not want to risk a nuclear war with the Russians, but at the same time, I also wouldn’t bet money on their stuff working, either. The whole system over there is a corrupt mess, with zero credibility going up, down, or sideways anywhere at any level. You can’t trust anyone to do what they’re supposed to be doing, when they’re supposed to be doing it, or how they’re supposed to do it. And, that issue is everywhere in the system like some sort of cancer on the body politic. It’s always been an issue with the Russian culture, but it’s gotten incredibly bad under Putin. I don’t think even he knows what ground truth is, out in the hinterlands of the Russian state. He certainly overestimated the capabilities of his military and intelligence organizations, which have demonstrably not been up to standard since well before February 24th, 2022.

    19. The Gaffer says:

      “The whole system over there is a corrupt mess …

      Wen Ho Lee.
      Drug raid in 2005 turning up PAL lab documents.
      Rear Adm. Timothy ‘Poker Face’ Giardina.
      ‘Stiletto Sam’ Brinton.

      Pot meet kettle.

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      This discussion of the PAL code reminds me of the opening scene of WarGames https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-T_uhQ0iE4 where the operator of the silo didn’t know that they’re doing an exercise, and an unacceptable number of the operators failed to launch.

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