Remember way back in the dim mists of time known as last week when India and Pakistan traded an escalating series of of attacks against each other following a Jaish-e-Mohammad terrorist attack in Pahalgam and India launching Operation Sindoor by bombing Jaish-e-Mohammad occupied buildings in Pakistan? It looked like there was a good chance the conflict would spiral out of control.
Instead, President Trump evidently said “Hey, you two, cut it out,” and the war stopped in its tracks like Drederick Tatum halting a prison riot.
The question I have is: Who won?
I’m inclined to think that India won, because they successfully hit their targets and dirtnapped a lot of jihadis, and Pakistan doesn’t seem to have successfully struck anything of import. But I don’t know for sure, since the never-entirely-trustworthy American media has a done a poor job reporting the conflict (evidently it’s really hard to blame Donald Trump for a sectarian conflict over a century old), and the local media on both sides seem entirely too biased to trust. And as for this Reuters report that Trump says disputes are “settled,” that’s either the usual MSM incompetence or “figuratively, not literally” at work. The Indo-Pakistan dispute over Kashmir will probably continue as long as those two nations still exist.
So I’m at a loss to say definitively who won this most recent flareup. If you have a better idea, feel free to share it in the comments below.
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The PLAAF won with the demonstrated successful performances of their PL-15 BVR missile which uses AESA radar guidance.
Our European allies lost with the embarrassingly poor performances of their MBDA Meteor missile.
The U.S. AIM-120 AAMRAM is now assuredly obsolete, so Taiwan is in existential jeopardy.
The AIM-260 JATM under development by Lockheed Martin just became the number one priority of the U.S. Air Farce and Navy. They better deliver, or we will need to learn Chinese.
“The U.S. AIM-120 AAMRAM is now assuredly obsolete,..”
And just like that—presto!—the AIM-120 missile became obsolete overnight because the French-made Meteor underperformed.…
The AIM-120 missile “is used on the F-15E Strike Eagle, F-16 Fighting Falcon, F/A-18 Super Hornet, F-22 Raptor, Eurofighter Typhoon, Saab JAS 39 Gripen, Panavia Tornado, and Harrier Jump Jet. It is also the only air-to-air missile qualified on the F-35 Lightning II.”
The AIM-120 is highly capable but the proposed AIM-260 promises to be even better.
https://www.usmilnews.com/aim-120-amraam/
“So I’m at a loss to say definitively who won this most recent flareup.”
While not definitive, OSI expert Damien Symon,..”exposed Pakistan’s misinformation campaign, revealing doctored images falsely depicting damage to Indian military bases, including an outdated photo of Jammu Airport circulated as recent destruction.”
https://www.ap7am.com/en/100751/satellite-evidence-india-destroyed-15-terrorist-camps-including-let-headquarter
It is essential for China to build an oil pipeline across Pakistan. If China invades Taiwan, the Straits of Malacca are easily blockaded. Without oil from the Middle East, the Chinese war machine grinds to a halt.
If war erupts between India and Pakistan, the Sino-Paki pipeline project becomes highly vulnerable. So you may expect to hear from the Usual Suspects about the miserable state of India’s military, China’s invincible wunderwaffen and the typical defeatism characterized by “resistance is futile” messaging.
In any India v Pakistan conflict, the Pakis are hopelessly outmatched. They have a 2 to 1 inferiority in ground troops, no naval forces worth mentioning and can only compare favorably in the realm of air combat. However, India has much greater strategic depth, which makes Pakistani air sorties against rear areas very difficult.
India’s economy is much better able to fund a military build-out and nearly all their equipment can be self-produced. By contrast, Pakistan will get Chinese jets, missiles and SAM installations.
This means no one will “win” any contest between these two adversaries because nuclear armaments force military engagements to be brief and inconclusive. So expect Pakistan to continue its support for terrorist attacks and India to punish them with fierce retaliatory strikes of short duration.
Nobody won is always an option.
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FYI survey of analysis
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/how-pakistans-drone-army-won-the-war-against-india
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/why-has-indias-military-performed-so-poorly-against-pakistan
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/how-chinese-missiles-routed-indias-air-force-over-pakistan
10x25mm The AIM-260 JATM ‘should be’ “the number one priority of the U.S. Air Farce and Navy.” Just another reminder for Taiwan that they will need to tend to their own freedom.
President Trump was correct that India and Pakistan have been going at it forever. The underlying cause remains. If they are at peace today, tomorrow is another day.
It’s not « hard to blame Donald Trump » for a conflict that is over a century old because much of the public who might read the TDS articles have no knowledge of that ancient conflict.
“And just like that—presto!—the AIM-120 missile became obsolete overnight because the French-made Meteor underperformed.…
The AIM-120 missile “is used on the F-15E Strike Eagle, F-16 Fighting Falcon, F/A-18 Super Hornet, F-22 Raptor, Eurofighter Typhoon, Saab JAS 39 Gripen, Panavia Tornado, and Harrier Jump Jet. It is also the only air-to-air missile qualified on the F-35 Lightning II.”
The AIM-120 is highly capable but the proposed AIM-260 promises to be even better.”
AIM-120 AAMRAM absolute maximum range is 160 km.
MBDA Meteor absolute maximum range is 200 km.
CAMA PL-15 maximum range 300 km, maybe more.
Math isn’t your strong point, so I can help you. The Paks popped the Indian Rafaeles from beyond the 200 km range of the MBDA Meteors. This would also be beyond the 160 km range of an AIM-120D AAMRAM.
So we need a AAM with at least the range of a PL-15, which is 140 km beyond the maximum range of the longest legged AAMRAM. The AIM-260 JATM officially gets us to a minimum of 200 km, but there is a crash program to get it out further – much further.
The PL-15 also has AESA guidance, which is far superior to “active RADAR homing”. This deficiency probably won’t get fixed until the LREW is available, but the guidance issue is immaterial as long as the PLAAF has a 140 km range advantage.
What was the final score of the India-Pakistan war?
7-11!
I now denounce myself…
“Math isn’t your strong point, so I can help you. The Paks popped the Indian Rafaeles from beyond the 200 km range of the MBDA Meteors. This would also be beyond the 160 km range of an AIM-120D AAMRAM.”
You are immune to logic but your silly arguments must never addressed for the benefit of others who may be misled.
Stealth aircraft moot the issue of missile range. You can’t hit what you can’t see. Even the short-range F-35 has the ability to penetrate enemy air space, launch its payload and retire to a rear area, undetected and unscathed.
As usual, your preoccupation with the pedanticand and the irrelevant and
..leave you unable to perceive the gist of the matter.