Jordan Peterson had Winston Marshall (a musician formerly of Mumford & Sons) on his podcast.
One of the things they talked about is why Democrats never go on podcasts.
Winston Marshall: “Kamala Harris. Some people have really called her as being dumb, and if you listen to what she said through the election, you’d be like ‘Maybe she’s an idiot,’ but it might be that she wasn’t actually that dumb, it was that she wasn’t bright enough, in that she had so many different factions and trying to keep this whole operation going that she was censoring herself from losing the wrong people, whether it was the woke side of her party, or the the more conservative side of her party, she couldn’t quite have the dialogue to to pull it all together.” I think we need to read “more conservative” as “not entirely insane.”
He then segues into an analogy with UK politics that’s not quite correct. Conservative Democrats can’t “go over to reform” because there is no “Reform Party” in the USA that isn’t a moribund husk, and America’s two party election system yields dynamics that are fundamentally different from the UK’s parliamentary system.
Jordan Peterson: “There’s a reason Harris didn’t go on any podcast. A couple of reasons. The first is that the Democrats are so clueless when it comes to the alternative media that they might as well be living in 1970.”
JP: “We invited, by we I mean a group of major podcasters. We’ve invited Democrats to speak with us. We’ve offered formal invitations repeatedly for eight years, and we mediated those invitations through one of the Democrats central political messengers, and they got the invite, and we couldn’t find one who would do it. Not one.”
WM: “They’re anti-pluralist. Which, by the way, they accuse the populists of being anti-pluralist. But if you look at Trump’s coalition, it’s pluralist.”
WM: “I heard your interview with Dean Phillips, and what he’s describing is a totalitarian party.” Phillips is the former Democratic congressman from Minnesota who got frozen out by the DNC when he ran against Biden’s husk for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2024.
JP: “Oh, absolutely. And it’s worse than that.”
JP: “The reason Harris didn’t go on podcasts, apart from the fact that the Democrats are completely clueless about the alternative media [is] that a Democrat won’t say anything that hasn’t been workshopped. And the reason for that is they don’t want to offend anyone. Well, if you’re not going to offend anyone, you’re going to say the most anodyne things. Which, of course, Harris always sounds like she’s talking to kindergarten children.”
JP: “You might say well that’s the level at which she’s capable of conducting discourse, and that might be true. But there is this additional element of the absolute inability of the Democrats to say anything that would say offend their most sensitive progressive junior staffer.”
WM: “That’s not happening just in the Democrat party, that’s been happening in the progressive movement, basically all American liberals are have this censoring, this idea that hurty words end up in genocide.”
JP: “You’ve seen firsthand that proclivity for cowardly virtue signaling in the entertainment industry…this is starting to fragment. I mean, Hollywood is in catastrophically dire straits. The projections are now that 50% of live theaters will close in the US in the next three or four years.”
Peterson is talking to Democrats, trying to find Democrats with leadership talents to go on podcasts. “It would be real useful for the Trump team to have some opposition that wasn’t insane.”
JP: “Podcasts brutally punish people who won’t speak freely.”
Marshall notes that the social justice left is doubling down, as shown by the furor that greeted Oliver Anthony (“Rich Men North of Richmond”). “They’re always virtue signaling and say it’s all about the working people. Here was your hero on a plate. They didn’t just ignore him, they wrote all these hit pieces like ‘right-wing influencers have found their new hero.'”
Marshall also notes the attacks on The Sound of Freedom. “The attacks from the media were just utterly shocking. Here was a film exposing child sexual exploitation, here was a film exposing the most evil thing really that you could imagine, [and] their response was to slander [Tim] Ballard with all these accusations, call it conspiratorial, say it’s a 4chan film. They just did everything they can to take it down, and even then it made a fortune, slayed at the box office.”
Marshall hopes that we’re at the end of the censorious social justice era. I have my doubts. Social justice seems to infect the parts of the brain used for religious belief, indeed functions as a substitute religion, and religious convictions are immune to logic.